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Is a flame made of plasma?

My friend says a flame is made of plasma. I would have thought no - a flame is not a substance, it is just the light a substance emits when it is really hot. He also says he can make plasma in his fireplace, but am I correct in thinking that it has to be a lot hotter than in a fireplace to make plasma?

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Asked in physics, plasma asked on: 12/18/2007 09:25pm
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Neko2

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5 minutes after the question was opened (12/18/2007 09:29pm)

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In normal, bonfire type situations, no.

Plasma flames for thermal spraying can produce temperatures around 7,000 to 20,000K far above the melting temperature (and vapour temperature) of any known material. This excedes most "normal" fires' temperatures.

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Messerwisser

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6 minutes after the question was opened (12/18/2007 09:30pm)

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A flame is substance that is glowing and mitting light due to high temperature that changes only a small part of it into another type of substance called plasma. The higher the temperature the more is converted to plasma.


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In physics and chemistry, a plasma is typically an ionized gas. Plasma is considered to be a distinct state of matter, apart from gases, because of its unique properties. Ionized refers to presence of one or more free electrons, which are not bound to an atom or molecule. The free electric charges make the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields.
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The temperature in the flame is sufficient to create only very little plasma, but enough to be demonstrated by the electromagnetic field in a micro.

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KentPDG

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23 minutes after the question was opened (12/18/2007 09:47pm)

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No. A flame is merely heated gases and glowing molecules.

Plasma is another state of matter. There is such a thing as a "plasma flame", but the word "flame" is used there only as a convenience. "Plasma jet" or "plasma flow" would be more accurate.

Your friend's assertion simply shows that he is not well informed. Most likely, it was a question framed as an assertion, with an implicit request for a contradiction that would inform him about the subject. Many people, particularly the uneducated, are embarrassed to admit what they don't know and feel humiliated if they have to ask a question, so they shoot their mouths off making absurd statements, just so they can get the correct facts.

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