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Orphan words . . .

What does gruntle mean? from disgruntle.
What is whelming? from overwhelmed
How many more such words are there? Words that have had a suffix or prefix added to them but the original word has fallen out of use?

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Asked in English, lost words, orphan words asked on: 03/28/2008 05:30am
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4 hours after the question was opened (03/28/2008 09:06am)

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Adjective: gruntled (comparative more gruntled, superlative most gruntled)

Positive gruntled
Comparative more gruntled
Superlative most gruntled

(jocular) satisfied. 1938: He spoke with a certain what-is-it in his voice, and I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled. — P. G. Wodehouse, The Code of the Woosters
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Verb: Infinitive: to whelm
Third person singular: whelms
Simple past: whelmed
Past participle: whelmed
Present participle: whelming


to whelm (third-person singular simple present whelms, present participle whelming, simple past and past participle whelmed)

To cover with water; submerge.

Derived terms: overwhelm
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8 hours after the question was opened (03/28/2008 01:29pm)

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will msn encarta do?it's the same answer as jeans but from a secure sourse.

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gruntled




grun·tled [ grúnt'ld ]


adjective

Definition:

contented: pleased or happy ( informal humorous )


[Early 20th century. Back-formation < disgruntled]


whelm




whelm [ welm, hwelm ] (past and past participle whelmed, present participle whelm·ing, 3rd person present singular whelms)


transitive verb

Definition:

1. cover with water: to engulf or submerge something in water


2. overwhelm: to overpower or overburden somebody or something


[14th century. Probably alteration of Old English āhwylfan "cover over, submerge," influenced by helmian "to cover"]

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11 hours after the question was opened (03/28/2008 03:34pm)

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Maybe the idea is that whelmed simply means submerged while overwhelmed means that you were submerged by waves crashing over the bow.

Why can things be both flammable, as well as inflammable?

Another query. Why can you only wreak havoc? Nobody ever wreaks prosperity.

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3 days after the question was opened (03/31/2008 12:23am)

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Have you ever felt distressed? Or discombobulated? Have you ever been dismissed from a job? Have you ever seen a crowd dispersed? So then what is it to be tressed (have your hair done, mayhap?)? Are we normally combobulated? Is being missed the same as being hired? But if not, then why are we missed by co-workers after being dismissed? Is a crowd gathering called a persing?

We all know what it is to seem profound; and we know how to confound an enemy. But what is "found", that it can be either pro or con?

We all know what is a result, and also an insult. We can consult with someone else, but no one prosults. In fact, no one even sults, so it is hard to see how we could result. And would an outsult be a compliment?

The English language is filled with such oddities. I'd like to see some more suggestions.

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xoloriib
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Wiktionary is one of those websites where anyone can edit and put in whatever they want. I'd need to see reference from somewhere else as well as any of such websites to be convinced of validity.

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xoloriib
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If a dictionary says something like archaic or back-formation it's not really in modern use : that's one of the points I'm making, the words have fallen out of use but they've left an 'orphan' that's still in use.