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How can this be right?

Poor counties being expected to get themselves further into debt, tackling something they are neither responsible for, or have any control over simply to ease Gordon Brown's cash-flow problems.

What are your thoughts/opinions about this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/16/climatechange.internationalaid... copy

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Asked in politics, foreign policy, climate change asked on: 05/18/2008 04:41am
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wumpus

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4 hours after the question was opened (05/18/2008 07:42am)

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It's not right at all - it stinks.

When Gordon visited China recently, he turned up with a cheque for 50 million quid as a gift towards environmental issues.

Personally I'd have picked up a bottle of wine in the Duty Free on the way over.

If he can give China (a nuclear power, potential superpower, rich state, producer of quite a lot of pollution) that much, surely he shouldn't now be turning mean by demanding interest as well as repayment from poorer nations.

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4 hours after the question was opened (05/18/2008 08:04am)

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Gordon Brown is a politician who is bankrupt of any credibility, robbing the poor to pay the rich , kinda inverse of Robin Hood.
Bring on the revolution comrades.

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5 hours after the question was opened (05/18/2008 08:48am)

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I, on the contrary, fully advocate that poor counties should get themselves further into debt by tackling problems they are neither responsible for, or have any control over, simply to ease Gordon Brown's cash-flow problems.

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Timdawg

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5 hours after the question was opened (05/18/2008 08:57am)

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It isn't right at all. For al the current governments stance on the 'green agenda', it all boils down to cash. GB has spent and taxed himself into a corner and seems to be desperately grabbing at any opportunity to claw something back. Let's face it, in political terms £800m isn't a lot - especially when the government can 'magic up' and EXTRA £6bn to fund the 2012 Olympics while having to borrow £2bn to pay for his 10p tax band fix.

This government *really* need to get their priorities in order.

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englishdanny

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5 hours after the question was opened (05/18/2008 09:11am)

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The UK has being doing this to prevent poorer nations from being able to develop. Third world loans come with conditions attached which mainly prevents them from growing their own food and forces them to open themselves up to imported foods.

The privately owned Bank of England have been using usury as a weapon against the poorest people in the world for a very long time.

Remember Bob Geldof's "Live 8" campaign designed to force governments to drop third world debt? Of course it never happened and in order to make it never happen a massive distraction was needed on the same day.

Enter Tony Blair news manager extrodinaire with a so called terror attack. If you really want to see how far the stink surrounding this government goes then check it out yourself.

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cryptminder

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9 hours after the question was opened (05/18/2008 01:09pm)

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Its about time everybody shut up about this global warming crap and accepted that its part of the earths enviromental cycle. Nothing any country does will have any effect on the climate, but it can increase the rate at which poorer countrys get poorer

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hdtg

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15 hours after the question was opened (05/18/2008 07:15pm)

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Its not right at all but I wasnt surprised when I heard this, I think its just a symptom of the illness which is capitalism.
Any government which supports such a system will always look for the profit to be gained. Ethical considerations will only ever be paid lip service to.
Help should be given freely or not at all.

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KentPDG

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3 days after the question was opened (05/20/2008 05:26pm)

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Actually, this approach has nothing to do with easing the UK's cash flow problems. Money that is handed over to this development fund will never come back to the UK treasury. It is gone, just as surely as if it had been given as an outright grant.

The funds -- supplied by the UK and other G8 nations -- would be administered by the World Bank. The World Bank has been remarkably effective in aiding the development and economies of lesser-developed nations. It is a very effective way of preventing economic imperialism, by nations making grants directly.

These World Bank loans would be made on "concessionary" terms -- meaning long payback periods, and very low interest. The effect of the loans would be considerable economic benefit for the borrower nations, over time, and teh benefits would eventually provide enough income to service and repay the loans.

It is no different than when the World Bank advances a nation funds to build a large hydroelectric dam. Such a dam not only provides needed electricity, at a low cost, but greatly aids agriculture and prevents devastating, costly floods. Over time, it creates enormous economic benefit.

We can argue all day long about whether global warming is in fact a real phenomenon, and if so whether or to what extent it is man-made, and who or which nations may have caused it. In my view, it is entirely unreasonable to assert that because a nation is prosperous, it should bear the costs of correcting climate problems in nations which are not prosperous -- and try to justify that view by claiming that the prosperous nations caused the climate to change.

Earth has experienced many climatic changes in the past, some very sudden and extreme, some going from cold to hot and others going from hot to cold. We may be entering such a change at present; but the experience of the past couple of decades is too brief to be persuasive (despite Al Gore's claims). But even allowing that the climate is changing and the oceans will rise, pointing the finger of blame at a few nations, or a few asserted causes, is simply irrational.

That said, I am all in favor of the World Bank, and its mission to aid in development of smaller and less mature nations. Funding of the World Bank should of course come from the prosperouos nations, because poor nations do not have the resources to fund the Bank. The World Bank, to I think the greatest extent possible, de-politicizes these development programs, and removes any influence of individual large nations over the recipients of those loans.

Mr. Brown may or may not deserve the scorn some people lay on him. But it is quite clear that the UK contributions to this World Bank fund have no benefit for him, nor for his government. They are a wise use of British funds, as they are for the funds of other contributing nations. In this case, Mr. Brown is no more than an agent of doing good for the lesser-developed nations of the world.

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