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sheps101
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Should only those who can't justify needing 4x4s be the ones to pay the extra proposed tax increases?

I am sick of hearing about the tax they intend putting on 4x4s but what really get my goat is I will end up paying because of all the people who don't need 4x4s but still have them.

Why can't they only put these proposed high taxes on those who can't justify needing a 4x4 or any other fuel guzzler? I mean if you live in a city you don't need a 4x4 and no-one needs a high performance car, so if you still want one why can't they make those people pay instead of those who actually to need them due to their location and/or job need one.

Has anyone ever mentioned giving a concession to people who need 4x4s and do you think it is a reasonable proposal that that if you can't justify owning such a car you will be charged for the luxury?

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Asked in cars, tax, fuel asked on: 07/10/2008 04:05pm
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34 minutes after the question was opened (07/10/2008 04:38pm)

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Who would decide whether a person can "justify" a car or not?

Many people like them because they're safer to be in than a normal car in an accident; is that sufficient justification?

Why should some "greenie" decide what car somebody else can drive?

Whatever happened to freedom of choice?


Supplement from 07/10/2008 07:52pm:

It's crazy to identify one particular group of vehicles as polluters, based on what type of transmission they've got.
Would you put Subarus, Lada Nivas and Fiat Pandas into the same tax bracket as Land Rovers?

Many large 4x4 vehicles are bad polluters with terrible mpg.
As a consequence of this, many have been converted to run on LPG, so in truth they pollute less than an average car.
The green brigade always ignore this point.


I used to have a 4x4-style vehicle which was built from an old Granada so only 2wd. You wouldn't believe the looks I used to get from some people - real nasty stuff.
The green nazis really are coming out in force these days.

The truth is that my car was producing better mpg than most BMWs or Mercs, had already been recycled at least once, and I kept it for 15 years with no major issues. Who's greener - me or the twonk in the new Mazda who will be looking for a trade-in every 2 years?

My car would still be around now, but for the ridiculous cost of feeding it proper fuel (not unleaded).
Being a 35 year old engine, it needed 4* from time to time, and it was legislation that killed it rather than rust or emissions.

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62 minutes after the question was opened (07/10/2008 05:06pm)

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Of course 4x4's are essential vehicles for city driving. After all, a mountain might suddenly spring up in the 300 meters between home and school!!
Seriously, I take the point from Wumpus about freedom of choice but, if we are going to tax these vehicles at a higher level then it would seem that there should be an essential user rebate.
Incidentally, in some ways the new tax rates do do something to help. In the last few years all 4x4's have been lumped together as evil regardless of their emissions while many worse cars have not had the same poor public image. At least, now, it is on a little (I did say little) more logical basis.

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17 hours after the question was opened (07/11/2008 08:18am)

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There used to be a working vehicle tax class, which generally was applied to farm vevicles.

Something along this line could be re-introduced.

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20 hours after the question was opened (07/11/2008 11:39am)

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As someone who lives in a small city in a remote region of Australia, I heartily agree! Those who live in the country or away from cities should be exempt from any four-wheel-drive taxes.

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wumpus
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Best approach is to forget all this tinkering with the figures.

Abolish the road tax, issue the license disc for free to ensure regular document checks. Or get rid of it altogether; police are already using ANPR systems to check insurance and MOT status so why do we need a license disc?


Put the tax onto fuel instead. Those who guzzle most gas pay more duty, no argument.

Additional benefits include reduced administration overheads, and we get to clobber foreign motorists as well.

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sheps101
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Not very fair on those in rural communities that need a car and do a high mileage due to location and lack or no public transport. It is bad enough trying to survive as it is. We are 25miles from fuel station so a 50 mile round trip just for fuel and that before we go anywhere else. We already limit non essential trips and would struggle to do any less mileage with out having no social life what so ever.

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Sorry for the delay in replying - been on holiday somewhere rural. =o)

Just playing devil's advocate here, but I daresay there will be somebody who thinks YOU should be paying more for having such an idyllic lifestyle.