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KentPDG
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Do you consider yourself my friend?

In response to Leohuberh's question about the internet http://iq.lycos.co.uk/qa/show/66974/Did+the+INTERNET+help+you+create+a+new+horiz... copy, I made the perhaps presumptuous statement:

"And the internet involved me with LycosIQ. I can't say for certain, but I do feel I have some genuine friends on this site ...".

That got me wondering how right or wrong I might be. Are there any of you who consider yourself my friend, enough let us say that you would host a visit for a couple or three days if I should ever travel in your direction?

A good many friends I have known through the internet have hosted me, in various parts of the world, providing some wonderful experiences and adventures. Of course, that doesn't mean I expect it of any of you.

And no, this is not a setup or a solicitation. I am not planning any trips, and I won't plan any based on the responses to this question. Just wondering.

Obviously, I post this question with some degree of anxiety. Have I deluded myself so badly that no one will post an affirmative answer?
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BTW, responding to Topaz' generous response, any travels won't include Cronus even though he is more handsome and much friendlier than me; 100-lb. dogs are a bit much to carry on an airplane. But I hope it goes without saying that "me" included Kiki -- who is also much more attractive and much nicer than me.

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Asked in Friends, travel asked on: 07/15/2008 06:34pm
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Topaz2308

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12 minutes after the question was opened (07/15/2008 06:45pm)

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If your ever in my neck of the woods Kent you would always receive a warm welcome for Kiki, yourself and Cronus. My dog Fudge is always happy to show another dog how lazy a dog can actually be and still get fed to the maximum!

Not sure how exciting you would find our small village but I'm sure we could while away the hours on a cruise round the broads and the local hostelries we encounter.

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duffield1

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23 minutes after the question was opened (07/15/2008 06:57pm)

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Yes, I'd consider a fair few iQers to be friends, and one or two would be good friends. There is a certain bizarreness in that I haven't met some of these people, and certainly my wife would raise an eyebrow if I said that I had genuine friends on here, but it is true. Maybe different from 'real world' friends, but friends none-the-less.

As to inviting another iQer into my house, I'm not sure. No matter how well I think I know people on here, I need to size someone up in the real world before I feel I can trust them enough to invite them into my home - but that is perhaps me being more protective of my wife and daughter and just reserving a degree of doubt about people. I wouldn't feel comfortable staying with most other iQers either for the same reason - behind the reasonable exterior, I could be a 'Dexter'-style mass murderer!

But yes, you are a friend, Kent. I know that because I worry about you off the site - you were not around for a few days, and I noticed. And I worried about Kiki when you said she was not in the best help. I still find it strange that I am connected with people in this way, but I guess that people affect you in ways that you don't expect.

You are probably one of the most trusting people I have met on-line, and I admire you for that (and hope that you never get stung by being so trusting). But I am not sure that I can be so trusting until I have met peolpe face-to-face.


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(This question may have been better suited to the Forum - another mod may yet feel that it should be deactivated. Perhaps you would supplement with a general question about friendships without a face-to-face contact?)

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Poindexter

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26 minutes after the question was opened (07/15/2008 07:00pm)

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Unfortunately we haven't had that much contact here on iQ, Kentie. :(

But in general I think that "cyber friends" translate only to fleeting aquaintances in The Real World (the big room with the blue ceiling). The only way to go further would be to meet in real life, which is something I've never done, and which I would be a bit hesitant to risk as I think that there are massive discrepancies between one's online presence and real life.

If you've met online buddies in real life and had a great time I envy you somewhat. It's just never worked that way for me.

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Hiheels

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29 minutes after the question was opened (07/15/2008 07:03pm)

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That would be a no from me.
We haven't interacted enough and it takes me a while to size people up enough to let them anywhere near being close.

However, not considering someone online a friend is not the same as disliking them.

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P-Kasso

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49 minutes after the question was opened (07/15/2008 07:22pm)

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Hi Kent - if your screen persona is like your real self then I'd be delighted to meet up. As you know, I like your perceptions and your urbane manner of expressing them. So it'd be interesting to say the least to meet up - and, yes, I do think 'friendlily' about you - I'd call it according you 'favoured nation status' rather than true friendship because friendship is borne out of shared likes and dislikes, shared experiences both good and bad, and a mutual history over time.

It is a bit strange though this internet medium and 'virtual friends' - a bit similar to when I was working in graphics and often had long and detailed telephone calls with various clients,designers and printers without meeting them.

When we did finally meet face to face after about a year or so I was totally surprised how little they looked like the mental image of them that I had built up in my mind.

For example, I see you as about 6ft 4ins, strapping, chock full of rippling sinew with an immaculately Morocco bound weighty tome under each of your mahogany sun-tanned arms, striding manfully across Vermont with at your heels Cronus putting in a thirty mile hike before breakfast....

I might be wrong - but until one meets one cannot be sure of anything. So I'd say love to meet but not to sure about the moving straight in part of the equation.

Ever since childhood I have always preffered to take my time getting to know someone (unless blonde and funny and a stomper).

So, no reflection on you but I just cannot see myself changing.

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MICHAELSCREEN

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50 minutes after the question was opened (07/15/2008 07:23pm)

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I don’t think it’s possible to be a friend without real interaction. Shared experiences and close proximity make friendships, (I think). I have lots of colleagues, acquaintances and contacts but not the kind of friendships I had before I left Wales to follow employment as a young man. For some reason I have never found that depth of friendship since? There was nothing unique to Wales, I think it was just that I was willing to risk and participate more in relationships with others. We used to fight like cats and dogs occasionally. I don’t think real friendship can occur until people are under each other’s feet. As adults we are a lot more conservative and reserved when it comes to social interraction. I think its why shared trauma seems to bond people at a very deep level because it strips away the veneer of order and forces people to share each others resources.

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tracieboo

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67 minutes after the question was opened (07/15/2008 07:40pm)

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I'm not so sure about the coming to stay part, Mika would go bananas for a start! (not sure how Mr Boo would feel either!)
Though if you ever make it to London i would be more than happy to meet you, the lovely Kiki and Cronus and take you on a tour of london (though there would be a lot of pubs involed!!)

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englishdanny

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101 minutes after the question was opened (07/15/2008 08:14pm)

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I think that unless you have had a physical meeting then it's hard to tell whether anyone can be considered a friend (in the true sense of the word).

Internet contact or even pen friends have only a mental image, although this can easily be very positive of the other person.

I find in life that I have friends and associates. I have quite a lot of both but I suspect it's because my job involves a lot of social contact.

I find that many associates become friends usually over a period of time. I've read many of your questions and answers and always felt they where really good.

In my case I would class you an associate. To some degree this is a sort of provisional friend.

If I ever bumped into you or any of the other IQers I would definitely extend any hospitality and assistance that I could, My "Handle" is lettered on my white van because it's also the name of my small company, so real world I suppose I'm quite easy to spot as a Lycos IQer.

But you would have to like rural areas of south Holland and Flanders to want to come and visit (Although Antwerp can be fun).

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tecspec

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113 minutes after the question was opened (07/15/2008 08:27pm)

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I've not interacted that much with you either. Although I do feel that your answers are always thought out and well balanced.
I was aware a little while ago that one of my questions (about Americans calling things different names)could have caused unintentional offence. However you answered in a friendly manner and I have learned to ask questions with a little more thought.
I like the interactions with all IQers but in all honestly think that friendships / aquaintances online should stay online.

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CGA

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3 hours after the question was opened (07/15/2008 09:29pm)

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With typical British reserve, I have difficulty referring to someone as a friend unless I know it is a two way thing. But, yes, your answers and general direction of thinking (plus some of your dry humour) is very in tune with how I also think about things. On a number of occasions I have read answers from you and thought 'that is just what I would have said and the points I would have made'. I would just like to think I would have said it as well.
The difference comes when you talk about Cronus. He sounds just the sort of dog I would like but I have made the concious decision not to have one because of the tie (I certainly would not have a dog that I could not treat fairly in time).
Yes, if you consider me to be a friend then I would also feel the same about you.
As for visits, if you are ever in the Munich area of Germany then lets meet up some refreshment and see how it goes.

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robinsamuels

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4 hours after the question was opened (07/15/2008 09:54pm)

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I would not consider you a friend, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't want to. Friendship is about far more than can be perceived through interaction on a website such as this.

But, I would be more than happy to extend an invitation to you and Kiki for a visit to wet and windy South West Wales. If at the end of the visit, my opinion of you had not been reduced, then I would be happy to call you a friend. I have a great deal of respect for your opinions, even when they clash with mine, and the way you put forward you beliefs with sincerity and tolerance. Just the sort of person I am happy to call friend, regardless of how I met them.

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siasl74

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5 hours after the question was opened (07/15/2008 11:17pm)

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Hi Kent,

I echo the general sentiment that it is a bit of a jump from "screen friend" to "stayover friend" - I prefer an intermediate hop to "meet & greet friend" first, so if you're ever knocking around the Cotswolds...
:-)

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rainchild

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10 hours after the question was opened (07/16/2008 04:04am)

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I certainly consider you an online friend. Of course I'd have to make the journey to the States to find out whether we would also become real-life friends. I have many online friends, and this applies to all of them. I have to say I admire most of what you say, and respectfully disagree with the rest. I believe you are a person of integrity, and that is important to me.

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xoloriib

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11 hours after the question was opened (07/16/2008 04:59am)

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You're about as much a friend as anyoneI have met online. Due to my autism that's about as far as it will go. You have shown me some things that I can emulate which counts for a lot with me.

I could not allow anyone to stay in my home (not even relatives) so if we met it would have to be somewhere in public. It would still be limited though as I do have that tendency to put my foot in my mouth as soon as I open it.

With the Australian dollar now at 98¢ US I doubt you'd be heading this way anyway.

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Theminxy1

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13 hours after the question was opened (07/16/2008 07:22am)

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Just let me know when and I'll keep the kettle hot, make up the spare room, and kill the fatted calf (figuratively speaking, I'd get done for cruelty even though I used to be a butcher.)

You'd be more than welcome m'dear.

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jacquesdor

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19 hours after the question was opened (07/16/2008 12:40pm)

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I would like to say yes, I am your friend - but that is an initial reaction.
In fact I have to say I don´t know you, so how can we be friends?
I certainly admire many of your contributions to the site and see you as a gentleman of honour. If friends could be chosen on an abstract basis then I´d be glad to be your friend.
As with many of the others, inviting you into my home is a different kettle of fish! British reserve maybe - but I find it rather shocking that Americans open their houses and lives to complete strangers, wonderfully hospitable, but we Brits just aren´t like that!
I feel warm and positive towards you - is that being a friend?

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Leohuberh

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44 hours after the question was opened (07/17/2008 01:44pm)

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I thought I might start a business in which I'd charge 5,00 a month to respond to letters. I'd provide friendly, helpful and encouraging responses. I think there are some really lonely, friendless people who might be willing to pay for this "friendship service." I would really try to be a good friend to all of my customers. Do you think I might be able to get some customers?

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Going to put this as a comment.
I have used the internet for years and have made many many good friends. Have 2 good friends that i speak on phone to, but in no way shape or form would i ever have them in my home.
Simple reason is, i live on my own and will not ever put myself at risk for any-one, not even the 2 friends i have known for 11 years.
You could be the most genuine guy Kent, but as hi-heels put, i dont realy know you or the others. I just wont put myself in any situation that i may have no control over.
I personally think internet friendships should just remain that.

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beeper_spryte
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i'd buy you two a drink and show you the sights, but my little flat is my sanctuary from the rest of the world, and i rarely invite people in. especially when it's overdue a clean :p

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agentju90
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so you're not a sweaper spryte?

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beeper_spryte
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i'll do the dishes tomorrow, promise :P

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spangle18
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You don't like sport. What would we talk about? :-)

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KentPDG
KentPDG

Hi Spangle,

Ummm, sex? Politics? Space travel? Anything you like. I have opinions and sometimes ideas on most topics.